1893 Triple Punch 1 Cent

[Barry4180]

New to posting here. Had a look on Saskatoon Coin Clubs resources and found out about this variety. After checking an AU-55 that a dealer had graded for me and apologizing for having it graded, he knew it was not worth it, I had another look.

This is about the best photo sans digital microscope that has been taken. Just posting it as a resource for anyone that wants to recheck an 1893. Hasn't been attributed yet as a triple punch but seems obvious.

[Bill in Burl]

We included that one, I think, on p336 of the 65th Charlton (2011), with the Vicky varieties in the back. I would have to see the rest of the markers on your coin to be sure, since I think the one in the book was mine in the photo. There were 4-5 doubled, tripled, or quad punched 9's for 1893, and we were only able to include 2 in the Charlton due to the number of pages that we were allowed. Your photo is blurry, so I can't tell you anything for sure. I have 5 different repunched 9's for the 1893, with most multiples as well. The neatest ones have the 3 repunched as well, but the quadpunch is great. Griffin included many of the R/P's on the '93's in his research, but not all of the 9's.

You will need to compare the lower left offset punch(es) of the knob, and the signs of the R/P showing at 5-6:00 of the curve. Then you have to see where it shows inside the oval ... upper left, all inner right, or a little on the bottom. Maybe due to the strength of the punch, you will also see a difference of the length and width of the offset punches left and outside of the oval. Good punches, you will see 1,2, or 3 repunch marks. The '93's are a variety collector's dreams.

[Barry4180]

Hi Bill thanks for the guidance.

If you think that is a blurry photo boy do I have a lot of uglier photos, working with the gear I have.

Where did all the other varieties get published?

[Bill in Burl]

Most were well known from an old coin site called CCRS (Canadian Coin ? Society) that had nearly 100 dedicated Canadian coin collectors and researchers. Information was pased freely back and forth and some research projects, especially on Vicky large cent varieties, took years. We used to all meet and the Torex's in Toronto and exchange info and coins. The head of the site was a noted Canadian Dealer and collector and then her son took over. After 4-5 years he ruined it with inordinate rules and regulations and NOTHING could be said negatively about 2 dealers, authors and publishers. One day 35 of the 100 or so members quit and we asked to have all our posts/info removed. If I remember correctly, over 25,000 pages of info and photos we removed from the site. The site died 2 years later.

However, many of the Vicky LC collectors remained close and one, Rob Turner, has now written 5 thick reference books on specifics of the large cent core and a must for any library. Go to his website ... https://www.victoriancent.com/hybrid-cent-obverses.html .... is one of the addresses, but it will take you to the home page directing you to info and books. From our group, there have been over 10 CNJ articles/research projects for the RCNA. There are 2 books in the wind that may be out soon, one on all the Obv 1's and hybrids of the Vicky cents (76, 81, 82, 84). Rob's books (not cheap) are heavy tomes with outstanding photography of all the Obv & Rev photos and markers for many of the earlier dates, including 2 just on the '58''s, 59's and 9/8's. Go to the Haxby site to learn all you ever wanted to know about the 210+ 1859 die marriage varieties.

[Barry4180]

Hi Bill,

Those resources should help, I will give it a go in the future.
Did a bit of photo editing on another picture and managed a
bit clearer image.

[troubadour]

doesnt look like it to me if i compare
https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-pr ... -1876-1901

[Barry4180]

Not all coins are going to be as bold as the one in the example. As the striking goes on there are going to be variances.

Personally the goal here it to determine the best definition for the coin before sending it for grading since ICCS doesn't give any guidance whatsoever on coin varieties. They are dropping the ball by not helping coin enthusiasts with this subject. The coin is graded but since I didn't know there were varieties there is no designation of the variety. Double or triple struck could mean the difference between having it sent back with no change to the label. Having no experience with ICCS beyond purchasing already graded coins it has me wondering about the process.