2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by CanuckCoinGirl » Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:51 pm

Bill in Burl wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:54 am
I reported the "heads/tails" to the moderator a hour after it appeared. I even sent an email to admin as well to remove the childish stunt. That's not welcome on any site.
thank you...
It does seem to have been removed now.

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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by mcahoose » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:04 am

I'm soo very sorry guys I this was very unprofessional of me and I admit that it was very childish of me to do such a thing.
This will never happen again I apologize to all that was affected by my action and I hope this does not affect my account and I hope this does not effect our friendship and I respect you all and I am very I embarist by my actions, please forgive me
Thank you all .

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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by mcahoose » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:24 am

I am so very sorry guys I did not mean to offend anyone I think I was having a bad day and I took it out on you guys 😞.
This will never happen again !!
Please forgive my childish behavior
Thanks for all you're help and advice , I hold you all in high regards and I respect all of you
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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by mcahoose » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:26 am

How do I delete the whole post I jus want to delete it and put it behind me please delete the whole post
Thank you all very much 😞😁

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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by castor » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:42 am

Good evening

I studied the icing on this 2$ 2012 and I put you 2 links on which I found 13 dies with differences in the icing.
There are probably still other different dies but I stopped at 13 dies.

This was the first experience of icing individual dies for circulation coins by the MRC.

It's in French but it's understandable with google translate.

1° links: The discussion.
I started this study on page #2 on Wed Oct 30, 2013.

https://www.numicanada.com/forum/viewto ... 2&start=15

2nd link: Compilation of the 13 different dies.

http://www.numicanada.com/forum/viewtop ... 28&t=21404
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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by troubadour » Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:11 am

variety or not this coin is popular and worth premium. https://coinsandcanada.com/coins-auctio ... end=Search

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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by Bill in Burl » Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:44 am

Well, "error" collectors may chomp at the bit, but I doubt it. It is just poor quality control and poor workmanship that can cause 10 or more "differences" on a relatively low-mintage coin. If people want to save them fine, but a premium, if any, is questionable. It is certainly not a "variety", but could be classified as an error (multitudinous) by stretching the definition.
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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by CanuckCoinGirl » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:24 am

troubadour wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:11 am
variety or not this coin is popular and worth premium. https://coinsandcanada.com/coins-auctio ... end=Search
Whatever the cause of that extra sail, there have been few of them, and only ms reported at auction.
In this case - the coin is pretty beat up and does not include the extra shelf like sail.

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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by Bill in Burl » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:33 am

Well, there really is NOT any missing sail. All of the sails are there. It's just that they put the frosting/icing all over the place on different dies. As Castor has stated, he has found 13 different "places" where the frosting or icing has been done to the die. Sometimes in the air/sky, sometimes actually "on" the sails, and sometimes in the spaces between the lanyards and the sails themselves and they varied the depth of the edge frosting/icing. There never was a "missing sail". That moniker was included in the error/variety section of this site and that's what the submitter named it, missing sail or not. The name has caught on, but there is no missing sail.
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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by Gerryinthe6ix » Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:53 pm

I agree with you Bill. My mint rolls of 2021 dimes are chock full of quality control issues and quite embarrassing for the mint. I have complete rolls with the icing and what appears to be whizzing all over the coloured versions. If folks want to collect junk, they can spend a fortune.
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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by altakid » Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:35 pm

Just curious Mcahoose, are you here for expert opinions or just to disagree with the experts?

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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by Enyaw » Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:39 am

In 2012 you could buy a 5-Pack from the mint for $10.00. I had a look through the one I bought and found one with an "extra sail". Interesting that only one coin had the "extra sail" in the package and the rest are normal.
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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by Bill in Burl » Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:58 am

Well, to me, it looks like all of them have "frosting" where ever it wants and all have frosting in the air space that they call the "extra" sail. I'm tired of talking about an error that isn't.
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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by coinguy » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm

Not an error in any way, shape or form. It is a variety in which case there
are probably tens of thousands of them produced.

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Re: 2012 $2 HMS Shannon with extra sail

Post by john1000 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:06 pm

You must understand the RCM in Winnipeg produces coins at industrial speed and only to an OK standard, Ottawa mint a different story collector coins are double struck maybe 5 coins a minute all this care and these coins rarely grade a 67 or 68. The Winnipeg presses for small coins are running around 200 or more a minute, their job is to produce a ms 63 coin at best and use the dies till they are worn down so as long as the coin serves it"s purpose and kept to a certian costs, that"s it, that is why some of our circulating coins looks so crappy and as the dies wear you get many variables. I can almost assure you if you purchase these small varieties coins for say 20 to 30 bucks, 30 years from now you will have a tough time getting your money back, major errors a different story, happy collecting

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