Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

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Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

Post by Piepala80 » Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:20 pm

Rare 1858 Canada 20 cents selling on eBay graded ICCS vf-20 auction style
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Re: Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

Post by Bill in Burl » Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:17 pm

I looked at the auction and I don't see what ICCS is calling a blundered I. Most people think that the marks from the denticles are alignment marks when making the finished dies. The 1858 had so-called blundered I's in Dei and Gratia as well. I saw nothing in the Ebay one that looks like any other "blundered I" that I seen elsewhere. I encourage you look at some Ebay "solds" and current auctions for the same or similar coin, you will see what the mark actually looks like.
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Re: Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

Post by Piepala80 » Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:49 pm

Not sure what you are saying. I've had many 1858 and also searched images of 1858 20 cents pieces. You can clearly see that it's a blunder I. ICCS wouldn't put it on comments if it wasn't. I've seen the other blunder I types as well. If you look at heritage auction in past sales you can zoom in and see clearly the second I.

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Re: Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

Post by Piepala80 » Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:51 pm

if you look at the second I in Victoria you will see that there is another I forming just above

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Re: Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

Post by Piepala80 » Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:59 pm

I zoomed in
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Re: Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

Post by Bill in Burl » Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:38 am

Since the coin looks like it has some of the blunder running down the side of the I, it looks to me like an error that happened after original strike.

The past coins marked with a "blundered I" appear to be a perfectly aligned rectangular mark emanating from the middle of the denticle. This PCGS example shows it as the same width as the shank of the dye-struck letter and has the "I" top and feet as well. This must have been an early strike since the feet show. Other examples I have seen is just the rectangular mark starting in the denticle and disappearing into the shaft of the element I. I:https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/mint-sta ... 6779&h=pop

It seems to me that vendors are calling anything with an expanded die crack as a blundered I. The construction of the letter "I" has many sharp corners due to the short serifs. That is where die cracks start on any coin and any letter ..... the sharp change of direction in the element, especially right angles causes the die to crack there due to the constant coin-striking pounding. Die cracks from letters are not blunders, just minor errors. A "blunder" is from the mint making the dies from the matrix or master. In the past, these mint "blunders" were referred to as "alignment marks".
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Re: Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

Post by Piepala80 » Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:54 am

Bill it's not the vendors that are calling it a blunder it's third party graders that are. ICCS would not put blunder I on the comments if it wasn't.
Also the example of the pcgs coin is a nicer and clear example than mine. The I formation is there it's just faint because it was graded a vf-20.
I've seen many examples of blunder I and they are not always right above. They can be offset from the main I.
Thank you for your opinion but I would take ICCS grading knowledge over most.
It sounds to me like you are trying to steer people away from this coin so you can buy it. LOL
Cheers my friend

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Re: Canada 20 cents 1858 Blunder I in Victoria

Post by Bill in Burl » Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:47 am

I quit buying coins 5 years ago and I would never buy a TPG ... I haven't in 50 years. I just try to help. To me, the coin has a widened die crack, as well as a bunch of 81's on Ebay by a disliked seller who says those I's are blundered. ICCS is not perfect so I wouldn't necessarily believe what they put under plastic. Coin sites are for opinions and that's mine.
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