1892 50 Cents

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rjd65
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1892 50 Cents

Post by rjd65 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:28 pm

Anyone care to take a shot at this one? Appears to be Obverse 4.
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Sammeli
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Re: 1892 50 Cents

Post by Sammeli » Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:05 pm

I’ll take a shot and call it a 4. It has a flat chin

Btw nice coin

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Re: 1892 50 Cents

Post by Bill in Burl » Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:18 pm

I'll call it an F-15, although wear-wise it's probably a VF-20. Probably decades ago someone cleaned gunk or verdigris around the design elements on the Rev, the date, leaves, and bow at the bottom. It had re-toned, except for where the person took a toothpick or other instrument and tried to remove the majority of what was around the elements (verdigris or hardened gunk) and left all the perimeters of the elements with a pale whitish color that is distracting.

I think that it's an Obv 3, by how the crown projects out and above the forehead. On an Obv 2 or 4, the crown is very even with the forehead and does not project out. Nice coin; too bad about the Rev especially.
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Re: 1892 50 Cents

Post by rjd65 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:32 pm

Sorry, I proposed a confusing question. I was referring to the grade only, however it is definitely an Obverse 4 as I have an actual Obverse 3 to compare against where the projection of the crown is obvious and the chin is slightly different. As for grade, IMO overall its a F15. I'll await a few more days or other opinions before I reveal what the so called TPG experts think. RD

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Re: 1892 50 Cents

Post by coinguy » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:15 pm

You didn’t say who graded it
ICCS- V20
US TPG-V25

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Re: 1892 50 Cents

Post by Bill in Burl » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:09 pm

Well, by the ID photos in Charlton, the tilt of the crown and overlap with the forehead tell me it's an Obv 3. If you want it to be a 4, then fine; it's your coin.
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Re: 1892 50 Cents

Post by rjd65 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:01 pm

Bill if you are able to save the obverse image to your desktop (or wherever) and the zoom into the forehead/crown/hair line area you will see there is no overlap. The tarnishing makes it appear there is an overlap unless you magnify.

I think we've played around with this one enough. I don't own this coin but here is link for it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185397961728?s ... 1438.l2649

I use to think PCGS was fairly credible, but they unfortunately have joined the TPG scamster cabal. No one will ever convince me that TPG is worth the money. These outfits should just revert to a TPAS (Third Party Authentication Service) and forget about grading the coins since they fail so miserably at it. Please don't give me the grading is subjective argument here either. Subjective or not, this coin is not what they claim grade wise. Although I don't like it I can live with a full grade elevation (they never under-grade ever!) but not two full grades. That is inexcusable. Since these outfits refuse to follow simple grading principles, they should just spare us the disappointment, lower their prices and assess authenticity only, that's all anyone should really care about. Let the buyer decide what they will pay based on appearance and authenticity, not what the label says. But they will never do that since their business model is ruined then.

Anyway I'm sure I'll be back with another one someday. It's easy to get into the mood, especially when I come across one like this that pisses me off.

Thanks for your time gents, RD

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Re: 1892 50 Cents

Post by rjd65 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:20 pm

BTW, I did neglect to consider one thing which is something I have always wondered about flagrantly questionable TPG coins. Could the original coins have been transposed for a lower grade coin? I do not doubt for a second that the holders can be expertly breached. Therefore, for a coin such as this I would contact PCGS and politely insist on obtaining an image of the coin that they originally graded. If I'm not mistaken I believe they take images of all the coins they grade. So until see the original image I should refrain from being too harsh and passing judgment. RD

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